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Eet GnomeSmasher · Jul 06, 2006, 09:55 PM // 21:55

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Originally Posted by inscribed

Whats with all these socialist attitudes? Nothing in the EULA that says I can't act like a jerk if I want to.

Oh yeah?

EULA says you cant spout racist garbage.
EULA says that you can't harass people. (very vague definition there I agree)
EULA says that you can't hamper other player's playing experience (again very vague)

So, no you cant act like a jerk if you want to...unless you're acting like one within the rules. And I doubt that people would care if that were the case.

echo envitas · Jul 06, 2006, 09:56 PM // 21:56

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Originally Posted by Matsumi

Now, I love the fact that GW doesn't have a monthly fee, and probably wouldn't play if they did. But I also have to accept the type of random crowd that comes with a free online game as well. Yes, it's usually more of a solo attitude thing, but it still can be a lot of fun. Just have to hope you get that 1 out of 20 or more group that works great together, and has a blast.

No I don't buy that. ANET has a business model set up to release a new game every 6 months, generating income that way instead of my monthly fees. This is not a 'free' MMO, this is one with no monthly fees. They should be able to afford at least 1 active GM, or some improvements to the game dynamics.
And I know you won't agree with me, but I personally would rather pay a small monthly fee than put up with this.

inscribed · Jul 06, 2006, 10:03 PM // 22:03

Please, get over yourself. Lets go through this.

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Originally Posted by echo envitas

Guess I can tell the guy who just got called a 'Dirty Jew' in game to deal with it.

"I mean the holocaust happened in the past. Deal with it. Quit whining, your grandmother died in a concentration camp, deal with it."

The EULA addresses offensive material like this. If you are offended by this, report him, and Anet will deal with it.

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Originally Posted by echo envitas

"Did that guy waste 2 hours of your time sending you off in the wrong direction?" "What? you only get 2 hours of play in the weekends anyway?"---"Deal with it"

Yes, if you were dumb enough to spend two hours looking for something based off of what ONE person said, instead of getting other opinions or looking it up on any number of fansites, then deal with it. Learn from your mistakes.

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Originally Posted by echo envitas

"Hey look, that guy quit after capping the elite, and we're only 1 hour into the mission. We might not make it and it's the 4th time today"---"Quit whining"

Well, first of all, if you're on your fourth time doing a mission and still haven't completed it, you need to revisit what you're doing. Second, yes, people will sometimes drop for no reason, alot of time just because they just got that cap they needed. All you can do is not group with the person again. If this is a big problem for you, join a reliable guild that will help you with missions.

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Originally Posted by echo envitas

"Oh look, that person is calling you a noob on the local channel and now nobody wants to invite you into their party for a mish"---"Deal with it and switch off your local chat"

Uhm, boo hoo? If you are that worried about being let into a group where you got rejected because some random person called you a 'noob', well, heres what you do. First, go wipe the tears from your eyes. Second, try inviting yourself to another group. If that doesn't work, you can always just start your own group. Finally, if that doesn't work, just do something else for a while. Go do some quests or farm, or just log onto a different character for a while.

See how easy that was? And I didn't even have to include coming to a forum and whining.

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Originally Posted by echo envitas

Inscribed, if you wish to make GW this kinda game...
All I can say is good luck in life with an attitude like that.

Thanks for asking, but yes, at 22 years old, me and my attitude are doing quite well for ourselves.

Eviance · Jul 06, 2006, 10:21 PM // 22:21

I just find it sad that we can't even talk about wanting a better gaming future without getting people who yell "OH NOES YOU NUBS GET OVER IT!!" and flame us for wanting a better life, in game or just in general....

Best go out and shoot ourselves now eh?

I don't accept people being rude in real life, and I will be damned if I accept it ingame.

Rent · Jul 06, 2006, 10:23 PM // 22:23

Inscribed pretty much said everything I wanted to say.

Kudos to Inscribed.

echo envitas · Jul 06, 2006, 10:25 PM // 22:25

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Originally Posted by Eviance

I just find it sad that we can't even talk about wanting a better gaming future without getting people who yell "OH NOES YOU NUBS GET OVER IT!!" and flame us for wanting a better life, in game or just in general....

Best go out and shoot ourselves now eh? :roleyes:

I don't accept people being rude in real life, and I will be damned if I accept it ingame.

Exactly

Ari Shiningstar · Jul 06, 2006, 10:31 PM // 22:31

I think the cause of the problems with bad behaviour are for 2 reasons: no montly fee, bound to get more people who like to grief.

No way to ingame report. I have seen people make all kinds of racial/sexual/religious slurs, and there is no way to report it promptly. (that I know of, if there is feel free to correct me, I'd love to know)

You get people like this in every online game, but with no ingame checks, they are free to do as they like.

Ari

Yanman.be · Jul 06, 2006, 10:31 PM // 22:31

You make a non-credit carded game, you get kids..that's what ya get...

The all chat turn-offer is your friend. (I NEVER ignore somebody. You never know if they're gonna say something so funny that I can post on guru in teh funny chat pictures topic )

lyra_song · Jul 06, 2006, 10:57 PM // 22:57

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

You make a non-credit carded game, you get kids..that's what ya get...

I find that arguement highly irrelevant. Age has nothing to do with a person's maturity or how they act towards others.

For me, i can tolerate a certain amount of "jerkness"

The website is very vague when it comes to exact situations that constitute as player harrassment....however theres some things that it does specify.

http://guildwars.com/support/legal/rulesofconduct.php

Eet GnomeSmasher · Jul 06, 2006, 11:02 PM // 23:02

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Originally Posted by Rent

Inscribed pretty much said everything I wanted to say.

Kudos to Inscribed.

Not really. All you've pretty much said was screaming at others to "get over it"

natuxatu · Jul 06, 2006, 11:07 PM // 23:07

I agree that the community is awefull compared to pretty much any other mmorpg (or similiar type.) To be completely honest I think it has a lot to do with the fact that there is no monthly fee (sorry if it's been mentioned I didn't read through all the posts) but I would gladly pay a monthly fee as I feel that would get rid of the caual players and only the ones who are serious about the game are going to invest money.

I'd even consider paying a small fee to play on a seperate server. Like the "golden server" whatever they want to call it. Make some marketing ploy to keep the kiddies out and I'd bite.

After all it seems like most of the annoying people came from Runescape or something. I see people seeing accounts all the time. But yeah... it's bad... maybe an rpg channel? but still that would get abused so I'm clueless as to how to solve it... so i'll just deal with it.

Tien ak · Jul 06, 2006, 11:12 PM // 23:12

I have to agree that people have got worse in the game I remeber when i first played the game I was a complete as the Jackasses put it No0b or as I like to put rookie at the game. I used my Ranger as a Warrior as I liked the look of my ranger but wanted to be a Warrior

And all that time I spent playing the game about 3 people commented when i was in missions the rest didn't mind and actaully commented on my Warrior skills lol

Now however if I did that people would most likely yell at me calling me a noob and all the other crap they spew out

People saying what can arena net do? quite simple they need more Admins online they do have some how else do they get the scribe? These Admins could be just random people who have applied to be one, course they would have to be some contract so if they abuse it they get fined or something like that.

Arena net do actually encorage people to Scam and to Flame by making the game so bloody competive that people get really frustrated and as its free and very competitve all the Jerks flock to it. How to get round it focus more on what people want don't make green items look so crappy make some really nice one which they have started on so Thumbs up for that one, all they need is to add loads more in the game, more gold stupid how the end game areas you get about 3 gold per monster in the top missions, not only that but they don't give your item back when its stolen

I remeber when i farmed for Runes and I finally got a Sup Vigor this was when I had Glad armor and was saving for 15k so I was excited that my hard work was paid off but alas I got scammed and got tricked in selling for 15g when I said to Arena net please can I have it back I worked really hard don't let him win. All they said was no can't do anything about it we can ban him for a week but thats we will discuss it with the player

And as most jerks are slimey basterds he most likely got away with it, hearing that everquest actually gives you your item back sounds great, Tho I can see people abusing it.

Unfortutly Guild wars is not a nice enviroment it can be nice but most likely you'll be doing quests alone as everyone is busy selling and if you have no real world friends online its going to be a preety lonely game

What can we do? tell Arena net to get Admins ingame tell them to add the Auction house now so people can just put the item in and leave it and of course us the players who have had to put up with jerks we gotta be role models of such.

Fear AML · Jul 06, 2006, 11:20 PM // 23:20

I don't mind jerkish behavior, as long as it is clever, witty, and biting. I'm saddened by the low levels of intelligence that I find in Guild Wars where everyone pretty much repeats the same put downs and can't get through a sentence without simple words and simple cusses.

My fiancee and I have pretty much learned to play the game with just each other and henchmen and I never pay attention to what is going on in town. It was the Dragon Festival that exposed me to the typical behavior as, for once, I spent most of my time hanging out in town. Otherwise, I keep to myself. I don't know the good people/players out there. I don't get to play UW/FOW. But that's fine. Guild Wars gets part of our game playing time and we often take long breaks (months) to go play other things.

Rent · Jul 06, 2006, 11:28 PM // 23:28

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Originally Posted by Eet GnomeSmasher

Not really. All you've pretty much said was screaming at others to "get over it"

So you get to define what I wanted to say?

And people call me a jerk.

Silent Kitty · Jul 06, 2006, 11:31 PM // 23:31

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Originally Posted by Tien ak

I have to agree that people have got worse in the game I remeber when i first played the game I was a complete as the Jackasses put it No0b or as I like to put rookie at the game. I used my Ranger as a Warrior as I liked the look of my ranger but wanted to be a Warrior

And all that time I spent playing the game about 3 people commented when i was in missions the rest didn't mind and actaully commented on my Warrior skills lol

I respect playing strategies of everybody, but you have to see it from the healer's point of view. You were completely draining the monk's energy to yourself. At that moment you were even worst than an assassin. Same armour, but the lack of fast killing skills.
I would have quit healing you, and most certainly not compliment you. When you are solo, you can play how you like, but in a party you have more people to take in consideration.
If I got a dollar for every ranged fighter who depleted my energy because he was tanking, I was rich by now.

Hoyt · Jul 06, 2006, 11:34 PM // 23:34

My personal rules to play by...
(Taken from a post I placed a while ago, but it still holds true...for me anyways. And , yes, a lot of it is meant to be silly)
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All I Ever Really Needed to Know I Learned in Guild Wars
( I apologize the Robert Fulghum for blatant plagiarism)

• Share and help others.
• Play fair.
• Don't scam people.
• Give things back when you borrow them.
• Clean up your storage regularly.
• Don't take things that aren't yours.
• Say you're sorry when you can’t rez somebody.
• Wash your hands before you play.
• If you must go AFK – tell people & be sure to flush.
• Warm cookies and cold milk are good for you, but not for your keyboard.
• Live a balanced life - Don’t just play GW. Learn some and think some and draw and paint and sing and dance and play GW and work every day some.
• Take naps whenever you can, especially if you plan on power leveling that evening.
• When you go out in PvE, watch out for things that pop out of the ground, don’t aggro and stick with your party.
• Be aware of wonder don’t mock it. Remember the little seed in the Styrofoam cup: the roots go down and the plant goes up and nobody really knows how or why, but we are all like that.
• Minions and pets and henchies and even the little seed in the Styrofoam cup - they all die. So do we.
• And then remember the D&D books and the first games you played - the most important rule of all – PLAY.

Deacon Roswell · Jul 06, 2006, 11:42 PM // 23:42

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Originally Posted by echo envitas

I'll keep this short and sweet.
We NEED some accountability in-game. This kind of an atmosphere ruins the game for many people. And don't try to say welcome to MMORGS, People in WOW and Everquest were not like this.

People in WoW and Everquest ARE like this, there just aren't as many...and I'll tell you why. Guild Wars has no monthly fee, which means any 13 yr old or immature adult can pay 50 bucks and play. If they had a bad day they can come home and purporsely piss people off to vent their frustrations.
Alot of parents won't pay a monthly fee for their kids to play a "game" and most adults won't pay a monthly fee unless they like to actually "play" the game. I love that Guild Wars is free online play and I don't want that to change, but it would have less @$$h0l3s with a monthly fee.

Meo Yeong · Jul 06, 2006, 11:57 PM // 23:57

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Originally Posted by Deacon Roswell

People in WoW and Everquest ARE like this, there just aren't as many...and I'll tell you why. Guild Wars has no monthly fee, which means any 13 yr old or immature adult can pay 50 bucks and play. If they had a bad day they can come home and purporsely piss people off to vent their frustrations.
Alot of parents won't pay a monthly fee for their kids to play a "game" and most adults won't pay a monthly fee unless they like to actually "play" the game. I love that Guild Wars is free online play and I don't want that to change, but it would have less @$$h0l3s with a monthly fee.

I disagree that a fee would fix it. With everquest especially there was gm's just wandering around and 99% a gm you could call on to come handle a issue. Something guildwars does not have and if it was implemented I would put 1mil k down that a majority of the jerks acting like jerks knowing that they could be banned at a push of a button would stop. That includes spammers, scammers and many of the people that just yap off garbage that shouldnt be said in the game.

Whiplashr · Jul 06, 2006, 11:58 PM // 23:58

People that defend jerks or jerkish behavior ARE jerks themselves.

Erasculio · Jul 06, 2006, 11:59 PM // 23:59

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Originally Posted by Eviance

I don't accept people being rude in real life, and I will be damned if I accept it ingame

Oh, you do.

There's a nice tab in the GW website called Support. In there, there's a place where you can write to the GW team, and one of the options to talk about is, "Report a Violation".

Do you use it?

"No, it's not in game" - if you are going to answer that, stop being lazy. You have the means to "don't accept" the rudeness you see in game, if you don't use it, well, you are being either lazy or hipocrite when you say you won't accept it. It takes as long to report something there as it takes to make a post here...So instead of complaining about how WoW is better (

), either do something to stop it, or quit whining.

(Oh, and just take a look at the WoW Forum, and you'll see how the "social atmosphere" there is healthy.)

Erasculio